Stealing Hindi Purnea Discourse & Adding to Bangla Pile

From: Shephali Dutta' <sph.dutta@ling...om...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Stealing Hindi Purnea Discourse & Adding to Bangla Pile
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 21:49:40 +0530

Baba

Stealing Hindi Purnea Discourse & Adding to Bangla Pile

Download S. File, AV Part 13, chapter 12

Namaskar,
Thank you for your interest in this important topic that deals with the purity of Bábá's printed books. This is an entirely new topic with a new sound file from Baba's original discourse - link appended below. So there should not be any confusion; no one should think this is an old item. To the contrary, it is an entirely new subject.

Preview:

To Falsely Make it Appear that Bábá Gave More Discourses in Bengali

than any Other Language

This letter addresses yet another stolen discourse in which the original language  was wrongly presented as being Bangla in order to make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. The discourse is from the latest English edition (2011) of Ánanda Vacanámrtam, Part 13, chapter 12.

The letter contains the following points:

1: Please download the sound file so you can better understand this issue (see note 1).

2: The discourse under question and scrutiny is: AV-13, chapter 12, "Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter".

3: This is a Purnea Hindi discourse, Tadekam Nidhanam Niralambam Iisham, stolen & covered up as Bangla.

4: The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language.

5: This is not a language issue but a matter of authenticity.

Please find more about all of the above points, as well as many new and important details, in the below main section of this email.

Main Section In Brief

Following are the details of how the publishers took an original Hindi discourse - "Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter" / (Tadekam Nidhanam Niralambam Iisham) - from AV-13 and labeled it as a Bangla discourse. This very harmful, alarming, and deceptive trend is discussed at length below in an easy-to-read format.

1: All should know that Bábá originally delivered the discourse, Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter," in Hindi on 03 July 1979, in Purnea. The Hindi name of the discourse is: Tadekam Nidhanam Niralambam Iisham. But the publishers have declared that Bábá spoke in Bangla. That is their deceptive tactic.

Twice Translated:

Disobeyed Guru's Given System of Translation

2: FACT: This discourse, "Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter", was given by Bábá in Hindi. They translated this discourse from Hindi into Bengali, and then again from Bengali into English—and published that twice-translated English version in the English book, Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, chapter 12, p.91. But Bábá's rule is that any translation is to be done directly from the original language, i.e. in this case from Hindi directly to English — which they did not do. So they disobeyed Bábá.

3: The printed and published English discourse does not match up with Bábá’s original Hindi which Bábá Himself spoke. The outcome is that instead of reading Bábá’s original words in direct translation, Márgiis are forced to read a twice-translated version which, due to being translated twice (first from Hindi to Bengali and then Bengali to English), is in great part far from what Bábá actually spoke in Hindi. This occurred due to not following Bábá's rule of translating directly from Hindi to English—and the ramifications of going against this rule are horrific.

Listen to the Sound File and See For Yourself

4: Be sure to play the sound and carefully review the published discourse.

5: For your reference and confirmation, the sound file containing Bábá’s original discourse has been posted to the blogsite (see note 1). Just by listening to a few words, anyone knowing Hindi can understand that Bábá is speaking Hindi – not Bengali.

6: You can contact any private translation business or translating agency and confirm with them that in this sound file, Bábá is speaking Hindi and not Bengali.

Their Bogus Publisher's Note

Shows It as a Bangla Discourse

7: But look what the publishers have written about this very discourse in their Publisher’s Note:

"Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter". Discourse in Bengali. Tape. Originally published in Bengali as “Tadekam’ Nidhanam’ Niralambamiisham’” in Ánanda Vacanámrtam 13, 1980. Tr. from the Bengali by Dr. Aditya Kumar Mohanty. (Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, Publisher’s Note, p. xxiii)

So in their Publisher’s Note they are making the bogus claim that this discourse was originally given in Bengali. But this is wrong.

Professor Mohanty & Those Other Stooges

8: This proves that those involved - Dada Acyutanandji, Dada Sugatanandji, and Professor Aditya Mohanty - are faithful stooges of Dada Sarvatmanandji. These are the key persons executing Dada Sarvatmanandji's agenda of Bangalisation. They have betrayed Guru by falsifying the entire situation. And other stooges involved in this work are Sis Malati (U.K), Shantanu Roy, and Madhava Basak, etc.

Here it should be noted that Dada Acyutanandji, Dada Sugatanandji, and Professor Aditya Mohanty can easily differentiate Hindi from Bengali. They are well-versed in this regard. So it is not like they are from a remote village in Alaska and have no idea about Hindi and Bengali. Rather, these three leaders in Publications are very aware about these languages and can easily distinguish Hindi from Bengali and vice-versa.

Authenticity of Baba's Discourse

Note A Language Issue Per Se

9: The purpose of this letter is to make Bábá's printed discourses authentic and dogma-free. This is not a language issue this is an issue of authenticity. We must know the correct history and specifics of each and every discourse. Just as a librarian, professional, or researcher knows all the facts and history of their area of expertise, it is our duty to have the same level of expertise when it comes to archiving, managing, preserving, and publishing His discourses. This will bring integrity to Ananda Marga books, and help both present and future scholars who research Baba's divine work. Finally, each and every devotee should be able to access Guru's words in their original form. Yet if it is not even know what the original language was, then how will they be able to do that. That is why this entire matter is an issue of authenticity - and has nothing to do with on particular language per se. The duty of every disciple of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji is to keep watch on the purity of Guru's printed books.

Why They Steal:

They Dream Of Putting Bangla on Top & Make it Religious Language

10. Some new margiis may be wondering why all this is going on - why would those Tiljala Publishers be so intrigued and enticed to steal discourses by claiming them as original Bengali. The reason is very clear. They want bragging rights that Bangla is the greatest and top-most language and that all should bow down to the mighty pedestal of the Bengali language.

In that sense they are no different than the Muslims. Those Muslims have mandated that that the Koran / Quaran must only be printed in Arabic. Thus all followers of Islam must learn Arabic to read their scripture. Those at the helm of Tiljala Publications desire the same status for Bengali. If one day they are able to step-by-step steal all the discourses and falsely label them as coming from the original Bengali, then they can impose Bangla on all. Everyone will be forced in that direction. This is their long-term dream. They want Bengali to become the religious language of Ananda Marga. That is their aim which they hope to manifest one day. In sum, such publishers are a spitting-image of those Islamic clerics.

Summary

The discourse "Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter" was given by Bábá in Hindi, in Purnea. The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. They translated the discourse twice: from Hindi to Bangla, and from Bangla into English—thus straying the English version far away from the Hindi original.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Shephali Dutta'


Footnotes:

Note 1: To download the actual sound file of the first five minutes of this discourse, click here.

Note 2. See below a scan of the Publishers Note where Tiljala Publishers claim that in this discourse given in Purnea, Bábá spoke in Bengali.

Addendum Sound File: Stealing Hindi Purnea Discourse & Adding to Bangla Pile

Click on the below to download the sound file "AV13 Ch 9 Parama Purusa Is The Supreme Shelter - July, 1979". This is the first five minutes of the discourse. Baba is clearly speaking in Hindi. But the Tiljala Publishers cite the discourse as given in Bangla.

Click Here To Download

To read the posting linked with this sound file, click here. 

Genital Mutilation of Ananda Margii Infants - Part 1

From: "Victor Aurtino" vishvarupa99@mailbox....
To: ananda-marga-discourses@googlegroups.com
Subject: Genital Mutilation of Ananda Margii Infants - Part 1
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:24:08

BABA

Genital Mutilation of Ananda Margii Infants

Part 1

Namaskar,
Keeping our scripture in proper shape is highly important but unfortunately the Publications Dept has presented point #2 of Sixteen Points in a contradictory manner. And in result, margii infants outside India - around the world - are being maimed.

As we know, the philosophy of Ananda Marga is consistent through and through. A point delivered in one discourse is complemented - never contradicted - in other discourses. So each and every discourse works as part of a cohesive body known as Ananda Marga philosophy.

Now see how the Senior Acarya Diary prohibits circumcision.

POINT FROM SENIOR ACARYA DIARY:

NO CIRCUMCISION IN ANANDA MARGA

In Senior Acarya Diary, in a specific section titled "Circumcision", Baba clearly delineates that Ananda Marga does not subscribe to the practice of circumcision. Here is the section where condemns circumcision from Senior Acarya Diary, as contributed by one senior acarya.

Senior Acarya Diary is one of the foremost and important books on Ananda Marga philosophy and teachings. And in that Senior Acarya Diary, Guru's strict mandate is that Ananda Marga forbids the practice of circumcision. It furthermore states that circumcision is a tradition of the Semitic religions. It should also be born in mind, that there is no other place in Ananda Marga literature where Baba describes this in such detail - complete with logic and reasoning, and step-by-step care. From Guru's guideline Senior Acarya Diary, it is very clear that Ananda Marga opposes the practice of circumcision.

Unfortunately, below you will see how those in the Tiljala Publications Dept distorted the translation of point #2 of Sixteen Points in the English edition of Caryacarya part 2 whereby they have accepted circumcision. Look what they have done.

TILJALA PUBLICATIONS DISTORTED CARYACARYA PART 2

The Publications Dept distorted the English edition of Caryacarya in this false and misleading way:

Readers of the English edition will surely think that circumcision is a must in our Ananda Marga. But that is completely wrong. Ananda Marga philosophy does not support the dogmatic Semitic practice of circumcision. So those in Publications made a terrible distortion and have misled margiis outside India. Because of this, the mutilation of the genitalia of Ananda Margii infants is in vogue. The worst part is that those publishers have done all this in the name of Guru.

BENGALI CARYACARYA - SIXTEEN POINTS

In contrast, the Bengali edition of Caryacarya-2 corroborates Baba's statement from Senior Acarya Diary. In the Bengali version of Caryacarya-2, point #2 of Sixteen Points clearly states that there is no circumcision.

Following is the section from the the Bengali edition of Caryacarya part 2 (1997 Edn):

And the Hindi edition of Caryacarya part 2 presents point #2 of Sixteen Points in the same manner - the Hindi edition (CC-2) also prohibits circumcision. Thus, the Senior Acarya Diary, the Bengali edition of Caryacarya part 2, and the Hindi edition of Caryacarya part 2 all express this point in the way. They are all 100% consistent: Circumcision is not done in Ananda Marga.

Only it is the distorted English edition of CC-2 that approves of circumcision. Such is the sinful work of those Tiljala Publishers.

BABA'S TEACHINGS ARE WHOLLY CONSISTENT

TILJALA PUBLICATIONS DID THIS DISTORTION

As we know, Baba's teachings are wholly consistent. None of His teachings are contradictory in any way. So the blatant aberration and inconsistency  of this point in Caryacarya-2 English edition is deliberate sin by those publishers to appease the Muslim population / Semitic religions.

The proof is quite clear as per the above documentation. Circumcision is not allowed in Ananda Marga. But the Tiljala Publications team has gone against Baba's guideline and distorted point #2 of Sixteen Points in the English edition of Caryacarya part 2.

CIRCUMCISION IS TORTURE

DISTORTION MUST BE CORRECTED

What the Publications team has done with the English edition of Caryacarya is wholly sinful and must be corrected. This is a vital and crucial error because each and every day more and more babies are born to Ananda Marga families outside India - so around the globe such families are being misled and wrongly circumcising their children. Because of the scriptural distortion by Tiljala Publications, they do not know that Ananda Marga is against the point of circumcision. It contravenes Guru's guideline.

Tragically, margii families are subjecting their innocent and helpless infants to the pain and torture of circumcision in the name of Ananda Marga. All because of the sin of distortion committed by Tiljala Publications. They have grossly misrepresented this point to readers of the English edition of Sixteen Points. In result, innocent babes are maimed - it is shameful and inexcusable.

In the service of Parama Purusa
Vishvarupa
(Victor Aurtino)

Note 1: CIRCUMCISION IS A RELIGIOUS DOGMA

Here below Baba points out how circumcision is just one cruel custom that was perpetuated over the centuries, from one Semitic religion to the next.

"Certain practices were not originally religious rituals, but traditions or customs. Long ago the Jews started practising circumcision. When Moses converted some of his contemporaries to Judaism, and later when Mohammed converted some local people to Islam, neither prophet dared to instruct their new followers to discard the old customs they followed, consequently the old customs continued after their conversion." (PNS-21, How to Unite Human Society)

The main thing Baba is stating is that "neither prophet dared to instruct their new followers to discard their old customs."

And now Tiljala Publishers are committing this mistake as those prophets of old. Those Tiljala Publishers are cowards - they lack the courage to follow the principles of Ananda Marga and oppose this dogmatic tradition of circumcision. They are scared to say that circumcision is forbidden in Ananda Marga. So instead, they are carrying on with this dogma in order to appease those indoctrinated by the Semitic religions etc.

Note 2: NO DIFFERENT FROM THOSE PRIMITIVE TRIBAL COMMUNITIES

Sadly now our Ananda Marga is no different from those African regions and various other tribal communities that brutally circumcise females as per their local tradition. There has been widespread public outcry about this and now we are doing similar things in our Ananda Marga. All because of the distortion committed by Tiljala Publications.

We should not keep quiet. This problem must be fixed. Otherwise if we fail to point out the problem and do not demand its correction, we will commit pratyavaya.

Example of False Things in AV-13 Chap 11 Due to Bangalisation - Part 3

From: Gopal Roy Choudhary <grchoudhary@bengalcom...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Example of False Things in AV-13 Chap 11 Due to Bangalisation #2
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:21:49 +0530
 
Bábá

Example of False Things in AV-13 Chap 11

Due to Bangalisation - Part 3

Namaskar,
Here we present completely new points of scriptural distortion and Bangalistion from the discourse Mantra Shakti, chapter 11 of Ananda Vacanamrtam 13 / 14. This is the third letter related with this discourse and links to the prior two are appended below.

Please know that the entire main section of this letter - and the scan itself from the printed discourse - are entirely new points. So be sure to take note of those corrections as they have never been presented previously.

Preview:

a. This letter reveals how our Tiljala Publications left out many key sentences from Baba's original Hindi discourse - Mantra Shakti - chapter 11 of Ananda Vacanamrtam-13/14. Important ideas that Baba spoke in Hindi were not included in the printed English discourse. The other issue is that our publishers concocted and added false statements in Baba's name. These points are completely new - details are below.

b. Wrong Done by our T. Publications:

1. Bábá's original discourse is in Hindi
2. Our Publishers claimed it was in Bangla
3. Discourse ruined by unnecessary double translation.

c. Our Tiljala Publishers are not giving you - the reader - Bábá's original words, rather they are giving you a tainted discourse in the book.

d. You have the right to have Guru's original teaching, which you are not getting.

e. We have provided Bábá's original sound file as proof of the issue; see and listen for yourself; do not believe on someone else's hearsay. (see note 1)

f. Anyone can recognize Bábá is speaking Hindi. (see note 2)

g. This whole posting unmasks the falsehood of the Publishers Note in Ananda Vacanamrtam parts 13-14.

h. As a result, the 2011 English edition AV-13/14 has been ruined.

Many Gross Errors

In the first two paragraphs of the printed discourse - Mantra Shakti - Ananda Vacanamrtam-13/14 (2011), there are numerous mistakes, deletions, and inconsistencies compared with what Bábá actually spoke in Hindi. The sound file is on the blog for you to listen and download. So you can check all points noted below with the original sound file.

They Omitted Baba's Examples of Relief Work

#1: In the first paragraph of this same discourse our Tiljala Publishers omitted these following ideas highlighted in red. Baba expressed this idea in His Hindi discourse - जैसे, बाढ़ में लोग त्राण-कार्य करते हैं, अकाल में लोग त्राण-कार्य करते हैं (01:19 - 01:-24) - but it was left out of the English publication.

"When a person gets relief from suffering or sorrow it is called tra'n'a. For example, people do tra'n'a work [relief work]  at the time of a flood. People do (tra'n'a work [relief work] at the time of famine. So tra'n'a means to help someone to free themselves from suffering."

An important element from any discourse given by Baba is the use of examples. That makes His point clear. But in this case, our Tiljala Publishers cut the examples noted above - relief work during a flood or famine - and they were never printed in the 2011 English edition of AV-13/14.

They Even Got The First Sentence Wrong

#2: To begin His discourse  in Hindi, Baba states, "[कल कहा गया था] योग शब्द के सम्बन्ध में, और उसके दुरुपयोग के सम्बन्ध में |." (00:00 - 00:08)

Baba is expressing this idea:

Yesterday I told you about the term yoga and the way it is misused.

But our Tiljala Publishers could not present even this first sentence in the proper manner. Instead they wrote:

I spoke earlier about the erroneous definition of the word "yoga."

Misuse in the practical sphere and an erroneous definition in the theoretical sphere are two radically different things. If anyone does not understand then they should email me.

Scan Ananda Vacanamrtam part 13 / 14, Chap 11, Pg 87

Mantra Shakti

        

In the following scan, the underlined sentence is wrong. It should have been: ”Yesterday I told you about the term yoga and the way it is misused."

[please play sound file 00:00 - 00:08, timing of sound file]

In the above scan of the printed book, this following sentence was omitted. It should appear where the red mark (capital i) is:

"For example, people do tra'n'a work [relief work]  at the time of a flood. People do (tra'n'a work [relief work] at the time of famine" 

[please play sound file 01:19 - 01:24 timing of sound file]

Many More Mistakes, Errors, Omissions & Deletions

And not just these but there are many, many more errors throughout the printed English discourse, "Mantra Shakti" - chapter 11 of Ananda Vacanamrtam 13 /14 (2011).

The Bogus Publisher's Note
Shows It as a Bangla Discourse

I. But look what our publishers have written about this very discourse in their Publisher’s Note:

"Mantra Shatkti". Discourse in Bengali. Tape. Originally published in Bengali as “Mantra Shakti” in Ánanda Vacanámrtam 13, 1980. Tr. from the Bengali by Dr. Aditya Kumar Mohanty.

(Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, Publisher’s Note, p. xxiii)

So in this Publisher’s Note they are making the bogus claim that this discourse was originally given in Bengali. But this is wrong. (see note 3)

II. FACT: This discourse, Mantra Shakti, was given by Bábá in Hindi. They translated this discourse from Hindi into Bengali and then again from Bengali into English and printed it in the English book, Ánanda Vacanámrtam part 13-14, chapter 11, p.87. And the ramifications of this are horrific.

III. The printed and published English discourse does not match up with Bábá’s original Hindi which Bábá Himself spoke. The outcome is that instead of reading Bábá’s original words, readers are reading an endless stream of concocted sentences that were translated from Bengali.

IV. This letter addresses a completely new point from chapter 11 of Ánanda Vacanámrtam Part 13-14. In the past you read about other issues, but this matter presented below is entirely new.

V. To make the English version in Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13-14, they translated the discourse twice—from Hindi into Bengali and then from Bengali into English. In so doing, they have ruined the English discourse.

VI. If any point is unclear, let us know so we can help you.

VII. Every Má́rgii needs Bábá's true discourse, not the concocted verbosity of so-called intellectuals of Tiljala Publications. And that only can happen if it is done from the original cassette. That why it is every Márgii's issue. This is not a Hindi-Bengali or a language issue; this is a universal issue. Remember: you are not getting your Guru's teaching properly. The things which you are reading in the book in the name of Bábá, that is something else. For more clarity, go on reading.

VIII. Read the below and it will be crystal-clear. Also be sure to play the sound (see note 1) and carefully review the published discourse. In the below letter everything is explained.

Bogus Claim About Bangla in Mumbai

Above you have seen the essence of what has happened. Our Tiljala Publishers (TP) took a discourse given by Bábá in Hindi in Mumbai, and claimed that it was given in Bengali. As proof of what they have done, we are including a scan of the Publishers Note in which the Tiljala Publishers made this claim. (see note 3)

Those familiar with Mumbai are aware that the principle languages there are Hindi and Marathi. With the exception of subgroups who migrated there from West Bengal, people in Mumbai do not know Bengali. Bábá did not give any discourse in Mumbai in Bengali.

It is vitally important that you listen to the sound file. If you do not know Hindi, please request any friend who does to listen. They will confirm for you that every word Bábá has spoken is Hindi, and there is not a single Bengali word.

Reason for Distortion:
Hindi Discourse Bengalized Meaninglessly

There are innumerable other serious errors in this very first paragraph, as well as in the remainder of the discourse. The principle reason for these errors is that the discourse was translated from the original Hindi into Bengali and then published originally in Bengali—as though the discourse had been given by Bábá in Bengali—in 1980. Then in 2011 when the first English edition was prepared, it was translated from the Bengali translation made in 1980. Translating a discourse twice will obviously cause significant loss of content, which is exactly what we find when we compare the original Hindi spoken by Bábá with this twice-translated English edition of 2011.

Discourse Translated Twice:
Evidence of Bengalization

The reason our Tiljala Publishers have made the English translation from the translated Bengali edition rather than from the original Hindi is clear: they want to show Bábá's discourses as having been given mostly in Bengali—when that is not at all the case. They want to bloat the number of Bengali discourse through bogus ventures. Such a falsification process is known as Bengalization: the systematic approach used to present Bábá as “Bengali” (rather than as Parama Puruśa, who can have no limitation of locale), and to show that Bábá knew and spoke only Bengali.

Some new margiis may be wondering why all this is going on - why would those Tiljala Publishers be so intrigued and enticed to steal discourses by claiming them as original Bengali. The reason is very clear. They want bragging rights that Bangla is the greatest and top-most language and that all should bow down to the mighty pedestal of the Bengali language.

In that sense they are no different than the Muslims. Those Muslims have mandated that that the Koran / Quaran must only be printed in Arabic. Thus all followers of Islam must learn Arabic to read their scripture. Those at the helm of Tiljala Publications desire the same status for Bengali. If one day they are able to step-by-step steal all the discourses and falsely label them as coming from the original Bengali, then they can impose Bangla on all. Everyone will be forced in that direction. This is their long-term dream. They want Bengali to become the religious language of Ananda Marga. That is their which they hope to manifest one day. In sum, such publishers are a spitting-image of those Islamic clerics.

Scripture Must Be Universal,
Not Limited by Any Narrow Sentiment

We Ánanda Márgiis must express our voice and save our scripture. Today it is being encroached upon by narrow sentiments, and that will lead to its destruction. The scripture given by Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrti is dharma—a rare thing. It must be saved from limited sentiments at any cost.

Bábá says, "When the sole purpose of scripture, i.e. dharmashástra is to establish the human beings in the stable, exalted position of spiritual ideation, it must be practical, rational, infallible and universal. It must be based on deep eternal truths. It must be áptavákya. A scripture is a guided entity." (Tattva Kaomudii - 2)

Again, the purpose of this letter is to make Bábá's printed discourses authentic and dogma-free. This is not a language issue this is an issue of authenticity. The duty of every disciple of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji is to keep an eye on the purity of Guru's printed books.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Gopal Roy Choudhary


Footnotes

Note 1: To download the actual sound file of the first three minutes of this discourse, click here.

Note 2: If you don't know Hindi, you can contact any private business translating agency also and confirm with them that in this sound file, Bábá is speaking Hindi and not Bengali.

Note 3: Click here to view a scan of the Publishers Note where Tiljala Publishers claim that in this discourse given in Mumbai, Bábá spoke in Bengali.

Note 4: Bábá's rule is that translation is to be done directly from the original language, i.e. in this case from Hindi directly to English—which they did not do. So they disobeyed Bábá.

Note 5: Why are Ánanda Marga books being ruined? All for purposes of Bengalization.

Note 6: Everyone knows that in the entire Ánanda Marga regardless of any group, there is only one Publications Department. The other groups are just shadows of whatever Tiljala Publications (TP) creates. The others merely copy and put their name on it. And other groups' leaders are not blame-free, rather double wrong. Their mistake is that they have hardly any interest on this matter. That is unfortunate.

LINKS TO PRIOR LETTERS

#1: http://anandamargadiscourses.blogspot.com/2014/07/loots-one-more-hindi-discourse-adds-to.html

#2: http://anandamargadiscourses.blogspot.com/2014/07/baba-example-of-false-things-in-av-13.html

Example of False Things in AV-13 Chap 11 Due to Bangalisation

From: Gopal Roy Choudhary <grchoudhary@bengalcom...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Example of False Things in AV-13 Chap 11 Due to Bangalisation
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:09:21 +0530
 

Bábá

Note: Those coming here to view the scan of the Publisher's Note should scroll down.

Example of False Things in AV-13 Chap 11

Due to Bangalisation

Namaskar,

Thank you for your interest in this important topic that deals with the purity of Bábá's printed books.

Preview:

a. This letter addresses reveals how the Tiljala Publications left out many key sentences from Baba's original Hindi discourse - Mantra Shakti - chapter 11 of Ananda Vacanamrtam-13/14. Important ideas that Baba spoke in Hindi were not included in the printed English discourse. And what He did not speak they concocted and added false things. These points are completely new - details are below.

b. Wrong Done by T. Publications:

1. Bábá's original discourse is in Hindi
2. The Publishers claimed it was in Bangla
3. Discourse ruined by unnecessary double translation.

c. The Tiljala Publishers are not giving you - the reader - Bábá's original words, rather they are giving you a tainted discourse in the book.

d. You have the right to have Guru's original teaching, which you are not getting.

e. We have provided Bábá's original sound file as proof of the issue; see and listen for yourself; do not believe on someone else's hearsay. (see note 1)

f. Anyone can recognize Bábá is speaking Hindi. (see note 2)

g. This whole posting unmasks the falsehood of the Publishers Note in Ananda Vacanamrtam parts 13-14.

h. As a result, the 2011 English edition AV-13/14 has been ruined.

Many Gross Errors

In the first two paragraphs of the printed discourse - Mantra Shakti - Ananda Vacanamrtam-13/14 (2011), there are numerous mistakes, deletions, and inconsistencies compared with what Bábá actually spoke in Hindi. The sound file is on the blog for you to listen and download. So you can check all points noted below with the original sound file.

They Omitted Baba's Important Declaration:
That He Can Teach Others The Mantra to Relieve Scorpion Stings

#1: Here is an example of one very significant omission by Tiljala Publications. Here is the idea which Baba spoke in His original Hindi discourse - please know that He is talking about getting stung by a scorpion. Unfortunately, Baba's point highlighted in red below was never placed in the published English edition.

"If one applies the mantra for one and a half or two minutes, the stinging pain will cease. If anybody wants to learn I will teach them later on - it is not difficult. That which brings relief from suffering - that is what? Mantra."

So that is the idea which Baba expressed in Hindi. But the entire red section was not printed in the English edition of AV-13/14.

Yet Baba clearly expressed this idea in the original Hindi, [03:01-03:16, timing of sound file], see this below Hindi section:


कोई सीखना चाहो, तो पीछे मैं सिखा दूँगा, कोई बात नहीं है |

[हँसी]

{तो तो वह है तो} तो, उस वक्त हम जो बोले, वह क्या है तब ? {त्राण से} दुःख से त्राण दिलवाए, तो वह जो हम बोले वह क्या हुआ ? मन्त्र | [03:01-03:16, timing of sound file]

Thus the Tiljala Publishers completely omitted this entire idea where Baba says: "If anybody wants to learn I will teach them later on - it is not difficult. That which brings relief from suffering - that is what? Mantra."  

This is a key line because this shows the reader that Sadguru Baba has complete mastery over the topic. He Himself knows how to select and use the mantra to save someone from the terrible pain and danger of a scorpion sting. And He can teach others. Such knowledge and ability demonstrates that He is an authority on this dangerous health issue. Yet this idea the Publishers deleted from the English edition.

So anyone reading the English edition will think that Baba is talking only theoretically, not practically. But that is not true. Baba is clearly declaring that He Himself knows perfectly how to use the mantra to bring relief from a scorpion sting - and He can teach this to others. By omitting this key aspect in the English edition, the entire point is undermined and the non-margii reader will not be convinced of Baba's expertise.

Then they also removed this idea: "That which brings relief from suffering - that is what? Mantra."

In that line Baba is emphasizing the exact function and value of the mantra with regards to scorpion bites. Whereas the way they printed it in the English edition is very awkward and incomplete. They merely wrote: "It is a mantra."

Scan Chap 11 of Ananda Vacanamrtam 13 / 14 (2011)

The following sentence is left out where the red mark is there in the scan:

"If anybody wants to learn I will teach them later on - it is not difficult. That which brings relief from suffering - that is what? Mantra"

[please play sound file: 03:01-03:16, timing of sound file]

Many More Mistakes, Errors, Omissions & Deletions

And not just these but there are many, many more errors throughout the printed English discourse, "Mantra Shakti" - chapter 11 of Ananda Vacanamrtam 13 /14 (2011).

Their Bogus Publisher's Note
Shows It as a Bangla Discourse

I. But look what the publishers have written about this very discourse in their Publisher’s Note:

"Mantra Shatkti". Discourse in Bengali. Tape. Originally published in Bengali as “Mantra Shakti” in Ánanda Vacanámrtam 13, 1980. Tr. from the Bengali by Dr. Aditya Kumar Mohanty.

(Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, Publisher’s Note, p. xxiii)

So in their Publisher’s Note they are making the bogus claim that this discourse was originally given in Bengali. But this is wrong.(see note 3)

II. FACT: This discourse, Mantra Shakti, was given by Bábá in Hindi. They translated this discourse from Hindi into Bengali and then again from Bengali into English and printed it in the English book, Ánanda Vacanámrtam part 13-14, chapter 11, p.87. And the ramifications of this are horrific.

III. The printed and published English discourse does not match up with Bábá’s original Hindi which Bábá Himself spoke. The outcome is that instead of reading Bábá’s original words, readers are reading an endless stream of concocted sentences that were translated from Bengali.

IV. This letter addresses a completely new point from chapter 11 of Ánanda Vacanámrtam Part 13-14. In the past you read about other issues, but this matter presented below is entirely new.

V. To make the English version in Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13-14, they translated the discourse twice—from Hindi into Bengali and then from Bengali into English. In so doing, they have ruined the English discourse.

VI. If any point is unclear, let us know so we can help you.

VII. Every Má́rgii needs Bábá's true discourse, not the concocted verbosity of so-called intellectuals of Tiljala Publications. And that only can happen if it is done from the original cassette. That why it is every Márgii's issue. This is not a Hindi-Bengali or a language issue; this is a universal issue. Remember: you are not getting your Guru's teaching properly. The things which you are reading in the book in the name of Bábá, that is something else. For more clarity, go on reading.

VIII. Read the below and it will be crystal-clear. Also be sure to play the sound (see note 1) and carefully review the published discourse. In the below letter everything is explained.

Bogus Claim About Bangla in Mumbai

Above you have seen the essence of what has happened. The Tiljala Publishers (TP) took a discourse given by Bábá in Hindi in Mumbai, and claimed that it was given in Bengali. As proof of what they have done, we are including a scan of the Publishers Note in which the Tiljala Publishers made this claim. (see note 3)

Those familiar with Mumbai are aware that the principle languages there are Hindi and Marathi. With the exception of subgroups who migrated there from West Bengal, people in Mumbai do not know Bengali. Bábá did not give any discourse in Mumbai in Bengali.

It is vitally important that you listen to the sound file. If you do not know Hindi, please request any friend who does to listen. They will confirm for you that every word Bábá has spoken is Hindi, and there is not a single Bengali word.

Reason for Distortion:
Hindi Discourse Bengalized Meaninglessly

There are innumerable other serious errors in this very first paragraph, as well as in the remainder of the discourse. The principle reason for these errors is that the discourse was translated from the original Hindi into Bengali and then published originally in Bengali—as though the discourse had been given by Bábá in Bengali—in 1980. Then in 2011 when the first English edition was prepared, it was translated from the Bengali translation made in 1980. Translating a discourse twice will obviously cause significant loss of content, which is exactly what we find when we compare the original Hindi spoken by Bábá with this twice-translated English edition of 2011.

Discourse Translated Twice:
Evidence of Bengalization

The reason the Tiljala Publishers have made the English translation from the translated Bengali edition rather than from the original Hindi is clear: they want to show Bábá's discourses as having been given mostly in Bengali—when it is not at all the case. Such a falsification process is known as Bengalization: the systematic approach used to present Bábá as “Bengali” (rather than as Parama Puruśa, who can have no limitation of locale), and to show that Bábá knew and spoke only Bengali.

Scripture Must Be Universal,
Not Limited by Any Narrow Sentiment

We Ánanda Márgiis must express our voice and save our scripture. Today it is being encroached upon by narrow sentiments, and that will lead to its destruction. The scripture given by Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrti is dharma—a rare thing. It must be saved from limited sentiments at any cost.

Bábá says, "When the sole purpose of scripture, i.e. dharmashástra is to establish the human beings in the stable, exalted position of spiritual ideation, it must be practical, rational, infallible and universal. It must be based on deep eternal truths. It must be áptavákya. A scripture is a guided entity." (Tattva Kaomudii - 2)

Again, the purpose of this letter is to make Bábá's printed discourses authentic and dogma-free. This is not a language issue this is an issue of authenticity. The duty of every disciple of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji is to keep an eye on the purity of Guru's printed books.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Gopal Roy Choudhary


Footnotes

Note 1: To download the actual sound file of the first three minutes of this discourse, click here.

Note 2: If you don't know Hindi, you can contact any private business translating agency also and confirm with them that in this sound file, Bábá is speaking Hindi and not Bengali.

Note 3: Scroll down to view a scan of the Publishers Note where Tiljala Publishers claim that in this discourse given in Mumbai, Bábá spoke in Bengali.

Note 4: Bábá's rule is that translation is to be done directly from the original language, i.e. in this case from Hindi directly to English—which they did not do. So they disobeyed Bábá.

Note 5: Why are Ánanda Marga books being ruined? All for purposes of Bengalization.

Note 6: Everyone knows that in the entire Ánanda Marga regardless of any group, there is only one Publications Department. The other groups are just shadows of whatever Tiljala Publications (TP) creates. The others merely copy and put their name on it. And other groups' leaders are not blame-free, rather double wrong. Their mistake is that they have hardly any interest on this matter. That is unfortunate.

Loots One More Hindi Discourse & Adds To Bangla Pile - Download S. File, AV Part 13, chapter 11

Bábá

Loots One More Hindi Discourse & Adds To Bangla Pile

Download S. File, AV Part 13, chapter 11

Namaskar,
Thank you for your interest in this important topic that deals with the purity of Bábá's printed books. This is an entirely new topic with a new sound file from Baba's original discourse. So there should not be any confusion; no one should think this is an old item. To the contrary, it is an entirely new subject.

Preview:

To Falsely Make it Appear that Bábá Gave More Discourses in Bengali

 than any Other Language

This letter addresses another discourse in which the original language is stolen and covered up As Bangla in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. The discourse is from the newest English edition (2011) of Ánanda Vacanámrtam, AV Part 13, chapter 11.

The letter contains the following points:
1: Please download the sound file so you can better understand this issue (see note 1).
2: The discourse under question and scrutiny is: AV-13 "Mantra Shakti".
3: This is a Patna Hindi Discourse, Stolen & Covered Up As Bangla.
4: The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language.
5. This is not a language issue but a matter of authenticity.

Please find more about all of the above points, as well as many new and important details, in the below main section of this email.

Main Section In Brief

Following are the details of how the Publishers took an original Hindi discourse - "Mantra Shakti" - from AV-13 and labeled it as a Bangla discourse. This very harmful, alarming, and deceptive trend is discussed at length below in an easy-to-read format.

1: All should know that Bábá originally delivered the discourse, AV-13 "Mantra Shakti," in Hindi on 01 July 1979, in Patna. But the publishers have declared that Bábá spoke in Bangla. That is their deceptive tactic.

Twice Translated:

Disobeyed Guru's Given System of Translation

2: FACT: This discourse, "Mantra Shakti", was given by Bábá in Hindi. They translated this discourse from Hindi into Bengali, and then again from Bengali into English—and published that twice-translated English version in the English book, Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, chapter 11, p.87. But Bábá's rule is that any translation is to be done directly from the original language, i.e. in this case from Hindi directly to English — which they did not do. So they disobeyed Bábá.

3: The printed and published English discourse does not match up with Bábá’s original Hindi which Bábá Himself spoke. The outcome is that instead of reading Bábá’s original words in direct translation, Márgiis are forced to read a twice-translated version which, due to being translated twice (first from Hindi to Bengali and then Bengali to English), is in great part far from what Bábá actually spoke in Hindi. This occurred due to not following Bábá's rule of translating directly from Hindi to English—and the ramifications of going against this rule are horrific.

Listen to the Sound File and See For Yourself

4: Be sure to play the sound and carefully review the published discourse.

5: For your reference and confirmation, the sound file containing Bábá’s original discourse has been posted to the blogsite (see note 1). Just by listening to a few words, anyone knowing Hindi can understand that Bábá is speaking Hindi – not Bengali.

6: You can contact any private translation business or translating agency and confirm with them that in this sound file, Bábá is speaking Hindi and not Bengali.

Their Bogus Publisher's Note

Shows It as a Bangla Discourse

7: But look what the publishers have written about this very discourse in their Publisher’s Note:

"Mantra Shatkti". Discourse in Bengali. Tape. Originally published in Bengali as “Mantra Shakti” in Ánanda Vacanámrtam 13, 1980. Tr. from the Bengali by Dr. Aditya Kumar Mohanty.

(Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, Publisher’s Note, p. xxiii)

So in their Publisher’s Note they are making the bogus claim that this discourse was originally given in Bengali. But this is wrong.

Professor Aditya Mohanty & Those Other Stooges

8: This proves that Professor Aditya Mohanty is a stooge, and his work is disgraceful. He betrayed Guru by falsifying the entire situation. And other stooges involved in this work are Sis Malati (U.K), Shantanu Roy, and Madhava Basak, etc.

Authenticity of Baba's Discourse

Note A Language Issue Per Se

9: The purpose of this letter is to make Bábá's printed discourses authentic and dogma-free. This is not a language issue this is an issue of authenticity. We must know the correct history and specifics of each and every discourse. Just as a librarian, professional, or researcher knows all the facts and history of their area of expertise, it is our duty to have the same level of expertise when it comes to archiving, managing, preserving, and publishing His discourses. This will bring integrity to Ananda Marga books, and help both present and future scholars who research Baba's divine work. Finally, each and every devotee should be able to access Guru's words in their original form. Yet if it is not even know what the original language was, then how will they be able to do that. That is why this entire matter is an issue of authenticity - and has nothing to do with on particular language per se. The duty of every disciple of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji is to keep watch on the purity of Guru's printed books.

Why They Steal:

They Dream Of Putting Bangla on Top & Make it Religious Language

10. Some new margiis may be wondering why all this is going on - why would those Tiljala Publishers be so intrigued and enticed to steal discourses by claiming them as original Bengali. The reason is very clear. They want bragging rights that Bangla is the greatest and top-most language and that all should bow down to the mighty pedestal of the Bengali language.

In that sense they are no different than the Muslims. Those Muslims have mandated that that the Koran / Quaran must only be printed in Arabic. Thus all followers of Islam must learn Arabic to read their scripture. Those at the helm of Tiljala Publications desire the same status for Bengali. If one day they are able to step-by-step steal all the discourses and falsely label them as coming from the original Bengali, then they can impose Bangla on all. Everyone will be forced in that direction. This is their long-term dream. They want Bengali to become the religious language of Ananda Marga. That is their which they hope to manifest one day. In sum, such publishers are a spitting-image of those Islamic clerics.

Summary

The discourse "Mantra Shakti" was given by Bábá in Hindi, in Patna. The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. They translated the discourse twice: from Hindi to Bangla, and from Bangla into English—thus straying the English version far away from the Hindi original.

Part One of this letter ends here. In part two, I shall further explain the above points.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Shephali Dutta'


Footnotes:

Note 1: To download the actual sound file of the first two minutes of this discourse, click here.

Note 2. See below a scan of the Publishers Note where Tiljala Publishers claim that in this discourse given in Patna, Bábá spoke in Bengali.

Addendum Sound File: Loots One More Hindi Discourse & Adds To Bangla Pile

Click on the below to download the sound file "AV13 Ch 11 'Mantra Shakti' 1979-07-01 clip". This is the first three minutes of the discourse. Baba is clearly speaking in Hindi. But the Tiljala Publishers cite the discourse as given in Bangla.

Click Here To Download

To read the posting linked with this sound file, click here.