Distortion: Fake Things In Ánanda Vacanámrtam Book (AV-13-15), H Edn, 1994, कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या

From: Kiirti Chakraborty <kchakraborty@wbnet...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Distortion: Fake Things In Ánanda Vacanámrtam Book (AV-13-15), H Edn, 1994, कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या
Date: Sat, Jan 10 2015 18:23:31 +0530

Bábá

Distortion:

Fake Things In Ánanda Vacanámrtam Book (AV-13-15),

H Edn, 1994, कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या

Namaskar,

Thank you for your interest in this important topic that deals with the purity of Bábá's printed books.

This letter addresses another new discourse in which the published text bears no resemblance to the words Bábá actually spoke. The discourse - "कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या" ["Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá"] - is from Ánanda Vacanámrtam, Part 13 (1994), Hindi edition, chapter 15.

The letter contains the following points:

1. Please download the sound file so you can better understand this issue. (See download link below in point #13)

2. The discourse under review is: AV-13  कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या [Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá].

3. This is a discourse given by Bábá in Hindi. Yet the Hindi version of the discourse published by Tiljala Publishers does not match up with original Hindi which Bábá spoke. It has obviously been completely rewritten by the Tiljala Publishers (TP). They translated Baba’s original Hindi into Bengali and then retranslated that Bengali into Hindi. The proper approach would have been to simply transcribe Baba’s spoken Hindi into Hindi script. But that they did not do. Instead they translated the discourse from the original Hindi to Bengali and then back to Hindi in order to steal the discourse and falsely name it as original Bengali.

4. As a result, instead of reading Bábá’s original words in direct transcription, Márgiis are forced to read a discourse which has been worded entirely by TP. For purposes of Bangalization they have re-written the discourse instead of printing what Bábá spoke.

Title Page AV, Part 13-15, H (1994)

Following is the title page (inside cover page) of AV-13 Hindi edition printed in 1994 by Tiljala Publications.

5. See below the inside cover of the book AV-13 (H, ’94 edn) that states "श्रीमती उर्मिला बनर्जी द्वारा बंला से अनूदित" -- "Translated from the Bengali by Shrimatii Urmila Banarjee". So Tiljala Publishers claim that Bábá has given the discourse in Bengali, and this is the Hindi translation. Which of course is completely false. Because Baba delivered this discourse in Hindi. And the sound file is the proof. By now you might have played and listened to it.

Above is the inside cover of the book AV-13 (H, ’94 edn).

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6. Following is the scan of the first page of chapter 15 - Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá [कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या] - of AV-13 Hindi edition printed in 1994 by Tiljala Publications.

Those who know Hindi will immediately recognise that there is not a single sentence below which reflects what Bábá actually spoke on the audio file. You can download the sound file to compare what Bábá actually spoke with the version printed by Tiljala Publications. To download the sound file see Point #13.

कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या AV, Part 13-15, H (1994)

by Tiljala Publications

Above is the scan of the first page of chapter 15 - Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá [कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या] - of AV-13 Hindi edition printed in 1994 by Tiljala Publications.

Now that you have read the above version printed by Tiljala Publications, you can listen to the sound file  of Baba’s actual words that He spoke in Hindi on that day.

By comparing the above Tiljala Publisher's printed text with the original audio file of what Bábá spoke, it is immediately apparent that the two bear no resemblance to each other. What Tiljala Publications printed is a faulty and inaccurate version of Baba’s original Hindi discourse.

Thirty-six Years Have Passed:

No Sign of Any Work To Fix It

7. Bábá says, “The scriptures containing spiritual injunctions must be totally flawless.” (Namah Shiváya Shántáya, Disc: 14)

So as Ánanda Márgiis, we must take this very seriously and work together to make the printed version of Bábá's discourses perfect. By such examples as the above, it becomes clear we cannot merely sit back and expect that with time the Tiljala Publishers will fix everything. Thirty-six years have passed since Bábá delivered this discourse in 1979, with no sign of any work to fix it going on. The Tiljala group whatever they spend all their time and resources on these days, if instead they had utilized these in fixing Bábá's discourses, then their efforts would have been worthwhile. When our Publishers are not doing the needful, then it falls upon Ánanda Má́rgiis to come forward, create pressure for change, and help in the rectification of our scripture.

8. By now you must have downloaded the original sound file.

9. Those who do not know Hindi can contact any private translating agency and confirm that what Bábá actually spoke is completely different from what TP wrote and printed.

10. If you are new to this network and you tried but are still not sure how to proceed then let us know. We are ready to help you.

As-Is Version

11. Here below in the yellow background is the beginning portion of the As-Is Version of the discourse कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या, Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá - submitted by one bhakta. This is what Bábá actually spoke that day 08 July 1979, in Ludhiana. Please compare it with the audio file. You will see that this is the true, word-for-word transcription of what Bábá spoke.

Note: Bábá’s discourses were delivered orally. Speech patterns are different from the written word. Naturally then, when making the written version, certain words are not needed. Those words have been marked by curly brackets { }. That means every word Bábá spoke has been included in this Hindi transcription, but when reading pay attention to these bracketed {} sections.

As-Is Version of the Discourse कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या

Above is the beginning portion of the As-Is Version of the discourse कृष्ण शब्द की व्याख्या, Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá, 08 July 1979 in Ludhiana.

12. Now compare the above As-Is version with the scanned text from Tiljala Publications, i.e. the second scan of this email. You will see that the TP version veers far from the course.

Link To Sound File and More Key Points

13. Please download the sound file by clicking here so you can better understand this issue by comparing what Tiljala Publishers printed, with what Bábá actually said.

14. All should know that Bábá originally delivered the discourse, AV-13 "Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá," in Hindi on 08 July 1979, in Ludhiana. But the publishers have declared that Bábá spoke in Bangla. So this is a Ludhiana Hindi Discourse, Stolen & Covered Up As Bangla.

15. This discourse, "Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá", was given by Bábá in Hindi. TP translated this discourse from the original Hindi into Bengali, and then treated that translated Bengali version as the original. So TP then translated again from Bengali into Hindi—and published that twice-translated Hindi version in the Hindi book, Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, chapter 15, claiming it to be Bábá's words. But Bábá's rule is that discourses are to be directly transcribed from the original language, i.e. in this case the Hindi discourse Bábá spoke should have been transcribed directly, and Bábá's Hindi words directly printed in the Hindi book—which they did not do. So they disobeyed Bábá.

16. The outcome is that instead of reading Bábá’s original words in direct transcription, Márgiis are forced to read a twice-translated version which, due to being translated twice (first from Hindi to Bengali and then Bengali to Hindi), is far from what Bábá actually spoke in Hindi. This occurred due to not following Bábá's rule of transcribing directly from the original Hindi.

17. The purpose of this letter is to make Bábá's printed discourses authentic and dogma-free. This is not a language issue this is an issue of authenticity. The duty of every disciple of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji is to keep watch on the purity of Guru's printed books.

18. Summary: The discourse "Krśńa Shabda kii Vyákhyá" was given by Bábá in Hindi, in Ludhiana. The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. They translated the discourse twice: from Hindi to Bangla, and from Bangla into Hindi—thus straying from the Hindi words Bábá actually spoke.

We Welcome A Hand From Anybody

We make a special request for volunteers to help in this work of producing and reviewing the “As Is” discourses. Márgii volunteers are needed from all countries around the world, to help with translating the “As Is” discourses into the various languages, and also to help with translating postings about distortions so that all Márgiis around the world can be made aware. Comparing the “As Is” discourses to the discourses published by our AMPS is a big job, and help here is also needed. We welcome a hand from any and all who are inspired and interested to serve in the protection of the discourses of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Kiirti Chakraborty

Download Baba's Audio: Hindi Discourse Stolen and Added in Bangla Pile AV-13 Ch 15

From: "Shephali Dutta" deva_dutta_s@uk.sys...
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Download Baba's Audio: Hindi Discourse Stolen and Added in Bangla Pile AV-13 Ch 15
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 06:41:23 +0000

Baba

Download Bábá Audio:

Look-- Books Are Ruined

One More Hindi Discourse Stolen & Added To Bangla Pile
AV Part 13, chapter 15 "Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa"

Namaskar,
Thank you for your interest in this important topic that deals with the purity of Bábá's printed books. This is an entirely new chapter with a new sound file from Baba's original discourse.

Preview:

Tiljala Steals Hindi Discourse & Falsely Declares It as Bangla

This letter addresses another stolen discourse. Specifically, it was stolen from its original language and covered up as Bangla. Why was this done? In order to make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. The discourse in question is from the latest English edition (2011) of Ánanda Vacanámrtam, AV Part 13, chapter 15.

The letter contains the following points:
1: Please download the sound file so you can better understand this issue (see note 1 below).
2: The discourse under scrutiny is: Ananda Vacanamrtam-13, "Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa."
3: This is a Hindi Discourse given in Ludhiana, stolen & covered up as Bangla.
4: The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla. They want to make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language.
5. This is not a language issue but a matter of authenticity.

Please find more about all of the above points, as well as many new and important details, in the below main section of this email.

Labeled As Bangla Discourse

Following are the details of how the Publishers took an original Hindi discourse - "Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa" - from AV-13 and labeled it as a Bangla discourse. This very harmful, alarming, and deceptive trend is discussed at length below in an easy-to-read format.

1: All should know that Bábá originally delivered the discourse, AV-13 "Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa", in Hindi on 8 July 1979, in Ludhiana. But the publishers have declared that Bábá spoke in Bangla. That is their deceptive tactic.

Listen to the Sound File and See For Yourself

2: Be sure to play the sound and carefully review the published discourse.

3: For your reference and confirmation, the sound file containing Bábá’s original discourse has been posted to the blogsite (see note 1). Just by listening to a few words, anyone knowing Hindi can understand that Bábá is speaking Hindi – not Bengali.

4: You can contact any private translation business or translating agency and confirm with them that, in this sound file, Bábá is speaking Hindi and not Bengali.

False Things Written In Publisher's Note

5: But look what the publishers have written about this very discourse in their various Publisher’s Notes.

In 2011, they wrote the following Publisher's Note in the English printed edition of Ananda Vacanamrtam-13:

“Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa”. Discourse in Bengali. Tape. Originally published in Bengali as “Krśńa shabder tinti vyákhyá” in Ánanda Vacanámrtam 13, 1980. First English publication in Discourses on Krśńa and the Giitá, 2000. Tr. by Prof, (Retd.) Anil Banerjee, AVA and AAA. (Ánanda Vacanámrtam (2011), part 13, Publisher’s Note, p.xxiv)

So in their above note they claim this to be a Bengali discourse. That has been demarcated by a red line (in the scan appended at bottom of this email).

Plus in the title page of the book itself, they are making the false claim in the copyright section that the entire book has been translated from the original Bengali. And that has been demarcated in red in the scan appended directly below.

Why Tiljala Steals:

Their Goal Is To Make Bangla The Religious Language of Ananda Marga

6. Some new Margiis may be wondering why all this is going on - why would those Tiljala Publishers be so intrigued and enticed to steal discourses by claiming them as original Bengali. The reason is very clear. They want bragging rights that Bangla is the greatest and top-most language and that all should bow down to the mighty pedestal of the Bengali language.

In that sense they are no different than the Muslims. Those Muslims have mandated that that the Koran / Quaran must only be printed in Arabic. Thus all followers of Islam must learn Arabic to read their scripture.

Those at the helm of Tiljala Publications desire the same status for Bengali. If one day they are able to step-by-step steal all the discourses and falsely label them as coming from the original Bengali, then they can impose Bangla on all. Everyone will be forced in that direction. This is their long-term dream. They want Bengali to become the religious language of Ananda Marga. That is their aspiration, which they hope to manifest one day. In sum, such publishers are a spitting-image of those Islamic clerics.

Summary

The discourse "Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa" was given by Bábá in Hindi, in Ludhiana. The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. They translated the discourse twice: from Hindi to Bangla, and from Bangla into English—thus straying the English version far away from the Hindi original.

Part One of this letter ends here.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Shephali Dutta'


Footnotes:

Note 1: To download the actual sound file of this discourse "Three Interpretations of the Word Krśńa", click here.

Note 2. See below a scan of the Publishers Note where Tiljala Publishers claim that in this discourse given in Patna, Bábá spoke in Bengali. That section has been demarcated by a thick red line.

Wrong and Dogmatic Photo on AM Book Cover

From: Surabhi Mukherji <s.mukherji21@computech....>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Wrong and Dogmatic Photo on AM Book Cover
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:51:24 +0530 (IST)

BABA

Wrong and Dogmatic Photo on AM Book Cover

Namaskar,

The Ananda Marga "Namah Shiváya Shántáya" (NSS) book is one of the foundational texts of our ideology. It is given by Baba as part of our "dharma shastra"-- which consists of Subhasita Samgraha, Ananda Vacanamrtam, Namami Krsna Sundarama, and Namah Shiváya Shántáya. So NSS has tremendous importance.

In view of this it is shocking and unfortunate that the cover of the printed book NSS has for many years been an ideological blunder.

Dogmatic Hindu Depiction of Lord Shiva Is Used

The cover of a book is a representation of what it contains: A cookbook will depict food on the cover; a book on ecology will have nature scenes on the cover. In this way, our book on Lord Shiva contains a picture of Lord Shiva. But it is so unfortunate that a dogmatic Hindu depiction of Lord Shiva was used, due to which Shivaji is pictured in a wrong posture which Baba forbids.

Baba says, "Padmásana is the posture of sitting with the right ankle over the lift thigh and the left ankle over the right thigh, the tongue pushing the teeth out. In padmásana alone, the vision can be fixed on trikuti – the middle point between the eyebrows. Just as the lotus blossoms forth in water, so also in this posture the mind tends to evolve. That is why this posture is termed padmásana (padma – lotus, ásana – posture). This is the best ásana for meditation. Persons with shorter legs experience difficulty in padmásana. Sádhaná is directing the mind towards expansion and padmásana does help the same." (Táttvika Diipiká Ánanda Púrńimá 1957)

Legs Are Portrayed in the Opposite Arrangement

See the below picture, and you will note that the legs are portrayed in the opposite arrangement from what Baba directs. All Ananda Margis sit in Padmasana using the arrangement Baba has taught. Lord Shiva is Taraka Brahma and the representation of dharma itself. Why should we publish a book which portrays Lord Shiva in a dogmatic Hindu posture? The book cover is a representation of what the book contains: If the cover is dogmatic, then readers can expect that the contents will also be dogmatic. So it goes completely against Ananda Marga ideology to print such a nasty dogmatic photo which makes it appear as though the book contents are also dogmatic.

Please see the Namah Shiváya Shántáya book cover below, and note how Lord Shiva is sitting:

This above is the scan copy of the Ananda Marga NSS book cover from our Tiljala Publications.

Please pay attention to the arrangement of Lord Shiva's legs, which is wrong. That is the topic of this posting: In the photo, the legs are displayed in an incorrect way.

Just The Opposite of How Baba Instructs Padmásana

Baba says that in Padmásana the right ankle should be lifted first so it goes over the lift thigh, and then the left ankle is lifted to cross over the right leg and right thigh. But look carefully at the above picture, and see how Lord Shiva is sitting. First the left ankle is lifted onto the right thigh, and then the right ankle is lifted to cross over the left leg and left thigh. That is just the opposite of how Baba instructs Padmásana is to be done! So this is a great ideological blunder. Padmásana is an integral part of our Ananda Marga sádhaná, and Lord Shiva would never go against this timeless guideline. But in the dogmatic Hindu tradition that is how He is usually pictured. And our Tiljala Publications adopted just such a dogmatic depiction for the cover of NSS book. This is completely unacceptable.

Showing Lord Shiva in an Adharmic Posture

The NSS English version (1995) was the first to be printed with this dogmatic photo. When it came out, Márgiis protested and opposed the dogmatic depiction of Lord Shiva. But the Tiljala Publishers ignored Márgiis' concerns, and went on to print the NSS Hindi (1996) and NSS Bengali (2000) with the same dogmatic depiction of Lord Shiva, showing Him in an adharmic posture.

So this is one very serious matter, that when an adhármic distortion of Lord Shiva's image is printed on our AM NSS book cover and it is brought to the attention of our Tiljala Publishers, even then they do not care enough to rectify the matter. Even if they could not reprint the English edition but the matter was brought up prior to the Hindi and Bengali editions. So the book cover could easily have been corrected for those editions. Our Tiljala Publications' failure to make this correction is indicative of a non-caring and brazen attitude which is wholly inappropriate for publishers of our dharma shastra.

Namaskar,
Surabhi Mukherji

Example: Distortion in Ánanda Vacanámrtam Part 34

From: Jyotiisha Bujosa <jbujosa@qmul...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Example: Distortion in Ananda Vacanamrtam Part 34
Date: Sat 20 Dec 2014 10:32:45 +0000

BABA

Example: Distortion in Ánanda Vacanámrtam Part 34

Namaskar,

1. The discourse "Revolt Against Dogma" was given by Baba in Kolkata in 1981. It is published in Ánanda Vacanámrtam part 34.

2. Now first see what Baba actually said on that occasion:

“For [the] devotional approach, nothing external is required; nothing external is required to be done. And the supreme apex of this true spirit of devotionalism is Ánanda Márga. And because it is the supreme pinnacle of devotional approach, you should remember that victory is yours, because Parama Purus'a is cent per cent yours.”

Again please see, and pay special attention to the red section, which has been removed by our Tiljala Publishers:

"For the devotional approach, nothing external is required; nothing external is required to be done. And the supreme apex of this true spirit of devotionalism is Ánanda Márga. And because it is the supreme pinnacle of devotional approach, you should remember that victory is yours, because Parama Purus'a is cent per cent yours."

3. Now see here how our Tiljala Publishers printed this section in Ánanda Vacanámrtam part 34 of Baba’s books:

“For the devotional approach, nothing external is required; nothing external is required to be done.(5) And because it is the supreme pinnacle of devotional approach, you should remember that it is yours, because Parama Puruśa is cent per cent yours.”

4. So see the above para, how our Tiljala Publishers removed Baba’s original words, that is, the following portion which is highlighted in red: And the supreme apex of this true spirit of devotionalism is Ánanda Márga.

Why Sentence Removed

Why was this sentence removed by our Tiljala Publishers? The reason is quite obvious. They are ashamed and embarrassed to publicly highlight Ánanda Márga philosophy as being the height of spirituality. They are too concerned about what others will think. So they deleted that section.

The unfortunate fact here is that our Tiljala Publishers felt it was an outrageous statement that Ánanda Márga philosophy is the culmination of spirituality, so they left out the sentence altogether. In the same way, some cowards do not like to hear people say that Shrii Shrii Ánandamurti jii is Parama Purus'a.

And in the same way our Tiljala Publishers think, "What will non-Márgiis say when they read these things like-- And the supreme apex of this true spirit of devotionalism is Ánanda Márga."  So, they leave out such points wherever found in the discourses. The present case is one such example.

THEIR READY-MADE EXCUSE

There is one other very important thing you must know about this entire situation. Our Tiljala Publishers have incorporated one ready-made excuse into their plan. If anyone raises this matter with them and asks why certain key words are missing, then our Tiljala Publishers will say, “It was inaudible on the original cassette.” This is what our Tiljala Publishers repeat.

Here then is the “As Is” version of that section of Guru’s discourse again--

“For [the] devotional approach, nothing external is required; nothing external is required to be done. And the supreme apex of this true spirit of devotionalism is Ánanda Márga. And because it is the supreme pinnacle of devotional approach, you should remember that victory is yours, because Parama Purus'a is cent per cent yours.”

Again please see the above para, and pay special attention to the red section, which has been removed by our Tiljala Publishers

Ánanda Márga Scripture Not Being Protected

Therefore Responsibility Falls to Ánanda Má́rgiis

Bábá says, “The scriptures containing spiritual injunctions must be totally flawless.” (Namah Shiváya Shántáya, Disc: 14) So as Ánanda Márgiis, we must take this very seriously and work together to make the printed version of Bábá's discourses perfect. By such examples as the above, it becomes clear we cannot merely sit back and expect that with time the Tiljala Publishers will fix everything.

Thirty three years have passed since 1981, with no sign of fixing the discourses going on. The Tiljala group whatever they spend all their time and resources on these days, if instead they had utilized these in fixing Bábá's discourses, then their efforts would have been worthwhile. When our Publishers are not fixing the discourses, then it falls upon Ánanda Má́rgiis to come forward, create pressure for change, and help in the rectification of our scripture.

Namaskar,
Jyotiisha

Distortion: English Version Ruined, EE7.5

From: Ramkumar <rkumar@rangenet...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Distortion: English Version Ruined, EE7.5
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:41:26 +0530

Bábá
 

Distortion: English Version Ruined, EE7.5

Dear Márgii Brothers and Sisters,
Namaskar

(a) The discourse Rudra Gotra was originally given by Bábá in Hindi in Ranchi on 26 May 1969. The English translation of this discourse was published  by Tiljala Publications in their Electronic Edition 7.5 (EE7.5) in 2009.

(b) Now, for all concerned Ánanda Márgiis, we compare the English version printed by Tiljala Publications in EE7.5 with the "As-Is" Hindi transcription of Bábá's original sound file of this Hindi discourse.

(c) The below scanned text in English is how Tiljala Publications published the final section (1) of the discourse in the EE7.5. That is followed by scans of the "As-Is" Hindi version. Anyone can easily see that the "As-Is" Hindi version ​is over four times as long the printed English version. It is evident that those in Tiljala Publications did not do a proper comprehensive translation of the original Hindi as given by Bábá.

Indeed, Bábá spoke 1442 Hindi words in this final section of the discourse. Every one of those words you will find in the As-Is transcription. Whereas Tiljala Publications' English printing of the same section of the discourse contains only 325 words.

Thus, it is immediately apparent that there is a large difference in the amount of text in the original Hindi "As-Is" transcription, and the EE7.5 publication. The "As-Is" version presents every single word Bábá spoke. In stark contrast, in their English version, Tiljala Publications printed a mere summary of what Bábá spoke. Much has been left out, and what small amount they included is a paraphrased summary. Indeed, what Tiljala published is not a translation of Guru's words, but a scant summary.

One great devotee recently sent a copy of the original Hindi sound file of the final section of this discourse.(1) The As-Is Hindi transcription was made from this sound file.The sound file can be downloaded below. (2)

Tiljala Publication's English Version of Final Section of Rudra Gotra

Published in: Electronic Edition 7.5, Bábá's Grace [a compilation], Subháśita Saḿgraha Part 25 [unpublished in English]
Notes: official source: Subháśita Saḿgraha Part 25

Rudra 25 May 1969 DMC, Ranchi

So the above is the 325 word summary published by Tiljala Publications. What they have done is a complete injustice to Guru's original discourse. Because see here below all that Bábá spoke. Whether you know Hindi or not, with your own eyes, you can easily see that Bábá's below original Hindi section is much longer and more involved than the petty summary that Tiljala printed above. See here all that Bábá spoke that day in His holy discourse, "Rudra Gotra."


As-Is Transcription of Final Section of Original Hindi Sound File

Following is the "As-Is" transcription of the original Hindi sound file of the equivalent final section of the discourse "Rudra Gotra":

Note: Bábá’s discourses were delivered orally. Speech patterns are different from the written word. Naturally then, when making the written version, certain words are not needed. Those words have been marked by curly brackets { }. That means every word Bábá spoke has been included in this Hindi transcription, but when reading pay attention to these bracketed {} sections.

Those bracketed sections have been kept intact as an official record. That way - when comparing with the original sound file - the "As-Is" version stands as a complete record of every word and syllable spoken by Guru.

Also note that square brackets [  ] in the text are used to indicate insertions by the editors. Anything spoken by Márgiis during the discourse, is also placed in square brackets. Such as ["बाबा, बाबा, बाबा !"].


Next Four Pages of Final Section of Original Hindi Sound File - As-Is Transcription

Here are the next four pages of the "As-Is" transcription of this final section of the discourse "Rudra Gotra":

So the above six pages are the "As-Is" transcription of that final section of Guru's discourse, "Rudra Gotra." (1) These pages correspond exactly to every word spoken by Bábá on the sound file, which is downloadable at the below link. (2)

In comparing the "As-Is" transcription with the text of Tiljala's published version in the Electronic Edition 7.5, all will easily see that the Tiljala Publishers have not presented Guru's complete discourse. Tiljala Publications has moreover reprinted this severely contracted English summary in the book Bábá's Grace, and they continue to make it available for purchase.

Anyone can see with their own eyes - regardless of their language background - that Bábá's original spoken discourse is much, much longer than the abbreviated English version put in print by Tiljala Publications. This is not a matter of translation. This is an issue of distortion. Guru's words are being categorically dismissed and removed by those in Tiljala Publications. In result, the English edition is an altered, bogus representation of what Guru actually spoke. Not only that, the integrity of the discourse itself is now threatened and put in jeopardy for the future generations. It is a very sad and painful state of affairs.

It is unfortunate that Tiljala Publications have distorted our Ánanda Márga scripture in the following ways:

(1) Failure to present all Guru has said;

(2) Failure to transcribe in "As-Is" fashion;

(3) Changing and rewriting Guru's words as a mere summary of what He actually spoke.

Ánanda Marga Scripture Not Being Protected
Therefore Responsibility Falls to Ánanda Má́rgiis

Bábá says, “The scriptures containing spiritual injunctions must be totally flawless.” (Namah Shiváya Shántáya, Disc: 14) So as Ánanda Márgiis, we must take this very seriously and work together to make the printed version of Bábá's discourses perfect. By such examples as the above, it becomes clear we cannot merely sit back and expect that with time the Tiljala Publishers will fix everything. Forty-five years have passed since Bábá delivered this discourse in 1969, with no sign of any work to fix it going on. The Tiljala group whatever they spend all their time and resources on these days, if instead they had utilized these in fixing Bábá's discourses, then their efforts would have been worthwhile. When our Publishers are wasting their time and money in self-serving pursuits such as group fighting, then it falls upon Ánanda Má́rgiis to come forward, create pressure for change, and help in the rectification of our scripture.

Must Not Delay Repair of Scripture

Such distortion and extreme summarizing as seen in the above Rudra Gotra publication is of vital importance and must be repaired without delay. The very survival of Ánanda Márga ideology as guiding light for the suffering humanity depends on this.

Bábá says, "When the sole purpose of scripture, i.e. dharmashástra is to establish the human beings in the stable, exalted position of spiritual ideation, it must be practical, rational, infallible and universal. It must be based on deep eternal truths. It must be ápta vákya. A scripture is a guided entity." (Tattva Kaomudii - 2)

Namaskar,

At His Lotus Feet,

Ramkumar


Note

- Sound File donated by a great devotee.

- Transcribed by one devotee

- If you have any question, please contact us at <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net> and we will be happy to reply.


Footnotes.

1. "Final Section"= In the course of recording and storing this Bábá's discourse, as well as many other discourses, the recordings sometimes got broken up into small pieces. The current sound file is of a section of this discourse Rudra Gotra-- in particular the final 12 minutes of the discourse.

2. Please download the sound file at this link, and add it into your collection. If you understand Hindi, then compare the versions for yourself. If you do not know Hindi, it is enough to visually inspect the six pages of the "As-Is" transcription of Bábá's original Hindi, compared with the very small amount of printed text published by Tiljala in English as a "translation". The difference is astonishing.

3. Rudra Gotra, was printed in Hindi by Tiljala Publications (TP) as Subhasita Samgraha Part 25, chapter 8 in the 2000 edition.  Please see this posting, where the "As-Is" transcription of Bábá's original sound file of this discourse has also been compared in length with the Hindi publication of this discourse. There it was seen that whereas the As-Is transcription contains 1442 words, the equivalent section of Tiljala Publications' Hindi version contains a mere 349 words.


NOTES ABOUT H GROUP— It is regrettable that H and EC groups have no interest in Bábá’s discourses, otherwise they would have become active in publishing them from the original sound track instead of merely reprinting the books which the Tiljala group publishes. The distortions introduced by Tiljala group in their publications of Bábá’s discourses are errors of commissional in nature. But let none make the mistake of thinking that H and EC groups are innocent here; by their failure to take interest in publishing Bábá’s original discourses, they demonstrate a lethargy toward Bábá’s shástra which is highly condemnable. H and EC groups’ failure to publish Bábá’s original discourses is a failure of omission. The omissional error of H and EC is every bit as serious as the commissional errors of Tiljala group. And moreover, H group's publishing department merely reprints the distortion-laden, error-filled books made by Tiljala group, and puts their stamp on it. So they are supporting and participating in the sins of Tiljala group.

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Fix Bábá's Discourses Now or Never

If we remain passive onlookers and do not fix the negative trends of introducing distortion into Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji's discourses and do not bring the printed discourses up to the proper standard now, it will become impossible to change this in the future. And even if in future some sincere Ánanda Márgiis will try, they will be treated as enemies. Because this is the way religion works. Today one cannot teach the devotees of Lord Krśńa that He has nothing to do with cows; they will never believe it. In the same way, Ánanda Márgiis will become used to the wrong teachings in our AM books and they will not like to give them up. They will think that whatever was there at the end of the twentieth century, that was the gold standard for all time. And it should be kept and maintained. So we don't have any time: it is either now or never. The clock is ticking: If we do not get Bábá's discourses fixed now, it will be impossible to do so later. And that will cause bloodshed and more division on the basis of the various versions of Bábá's teachings and their explanations. History bears testimony to this, that all the religions have similarly broken into multiple factions, groups and subgroups on the basis of differences in scripture interpretations. Bábá wanted to eliminate such problems, and that is why Bábá's discourses are recorded. But unfortunately, those recordings are not being published properly. This matter is very serious.

Due to Distortion: Bogus Things In Ánanda Márga Books

From: Lalita Chakraborty <lchakraborty@wbnet...>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Due to Distortion: Bogus Things In Ánanda Má́rga Books
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:14:52 +0530

Bábá

Due to Distortion: 
Bogus Things In Ánanda Márga Books

Namaskar,

Thank you for your interest in this important topic that deals with the purity of Bábá's printed books.

This letter addresses another discourse in which the published text bears no resemblance to the words Bábá actually spoke. The discourse is from the Hindi Ánanda Vacanámrtam, AV Part 13, chapter 7. (1)

The letter contains the following points:

1. Please download the sound file so you can better understand this issue. (see link below, note 2)

2. The discourse under question and scrutiny is: AV13 "योगी अवश्य ही आस्तिक होंगे" ["A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist"].

3. This is a discourse given by Bábá in Hindi, and yet the Hindi discourse published by Tiljala Publishers does not match up with Bábá’s original Hindi which Bábá Himself spoke. It has obviously been completely rewritten by the Tiljala Publishers (TP).

4. As a result, instead of reading Bábá’s original words in direct transcription, Márgiis are forced to read a discourse which has been worded entirely by the TP. For purposes of bangalization they have re-written the discourse instead of printing what Bábá spoke.

5. Here below is what TP published in AV13, claiming it to be Bábá's discourse "A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist". Those who know Hindi will immediately note that there is not a single sentence below which resembles what Bábá actually spoke on the audio file. You can download the sound file to compare what Bábá actually spoke, with what the Tiljala Publishers printed. (see note 2)

Here below is Tiljala Publication's version of the discourse "A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist" [योगी अवश्य ही आस्तिक होंगे], published in AV13: 

By comparing the above Tiljala Publisher's printed text with the audio file of what Bábá spoke, it is immediately apparent that the two bear no resemblance one to the other.

6. TP printed on the inside cover of the book AV13, "श्रीमती उर्मिला बनर्जी द्वारा बंला से अनूदित" -- "Translated from the Bengali by Shrimatii Urmila Banarjee". So Tiljala Publishers claim that Bábá has given the discourse in Bengali, and this is the Hindi translation. Which of course is completely false.

 Responsibility Falls to Ánanda Má́rgiis

Bábá says, “The scriptures containing spiritual injunctions must be totally flawless.” (Namah Shiváya Shántáya, Disc: 14) So as Ánanda Márgiis, we must take this very seriously and work together to make the printed version of Bábá's discourses perfect. By such examples as the above, it becomes clear we cannot merely sit back and expect that with time the Tiljala Publishers will fix everything. First, with distortions such as those illustrated above, there is every proof of intentionality. When something has been intentionally distorted, then one cannot expect those who brought about the distortion to turn around and rectify it. And second, twenty-three years have passed since 1990, with no sign of fixing the discourses going on. The Tiljala group whatever they spend all their time and resources on these days, if instead they had utilized these in fixing Bábá's discourses, then their efforts would have been worthwhile. When our Publishers are wasting their time and money in self-serving pursuits such as group fighting, then it falls upon Ánanda Má́rgiis to come forward, create pressure for change, and help in the rectification of our scripture.

7. For your reference and confirmation, the sound file containing Bábá’s original discourse can be downloaded below. (2)  Just by listening to a few words, anyone knowing Hindi can understand that Bábá's words and Tiljala Publishers' words are completely different.

8. For those not knowing Hindi, you can contact any private business translating agency also and confirm with them that in this sound file, Bábá is speaking words which are completely different from what TP themselves wrote and printed.

9. If you are new to this network and you tried but are still not sure how to proceed then let us know. We are ready to help you.

As-Is Version

10. Here below as a sample, is the beginning portion of the As-Is Version of what Bábá actually spoke that day 30 June 1979, in Patna. Please compare it with the audio file, and you will be confirmed that this is the true, word-for-word transcription of what Bábá spoke. Then compare the above text from Tiljala, with the As-Is transcription by one devotee, given below.

                                                                                 Our As-Is Typed Version

Volunteers Needed

We make a special request for volunteers to help in this work of producing and reviewing the “As Is” discourses. Márgii volunteers are needed from all countries around the world, to help with translating the “As Is” discourses into the various languages, and also to help with translating postings about distortions so that all Márgiis around the world can be made aware. Comparing the “As Is” discourses to the discourses published by our AMPS is a big job, and help here is also needed. We welcome a hand from any and all who are inspired and interested to serve in the protection of the discourses of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji.


Namaskar,
​Lalita Chakraborty


Footnotes.

1. "योगी अवश्य ही आस्तिक होंगे" ["A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist"], Ánanda Vacanámrtam, AV Part 13, chapter 7.

2. Please download the sound file by clicking here so you can better understand this issue by comparing what Tiljala Publishers printed, with what Bábá actually said.

3. All should know that Bábá originally delivered the discourse, AV13 "A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist," in Hindi on 30 June 1979, in Patna. But the publishers have declared that Bábá spoke in Bangla. So this is a Patna Hindi Discourse, Stolen & Covered Up As Bangla.

4. This discourse, "A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist", was given by Bábá in Hindi. TP translated this discourse from the original Hindi into Bengali, and then treated that translated Bengali version as the original. So TP then translated again from Bengali into Hindi—and published that twice-translated Hindi version in the Hindi book, Ánanda Vacanámrtam, part 13, chapter 7, claiming it to be Bábá's words. But Bábá's rule is that discourses are to be directly transcribed from the original language, i.e. in this case the Hindi discourse Bábá spoke should have been transcribed directly, and Bábá's Hindi words directly printed in the Hindi book—which they did not do. So they disobeyed Bábá.

5. The outcome is that instead of reading Bábá’s original words in direct transcription, Márgiis are forced to read a twice-translated version which, due to being translated twice (first from Hindi to Bengali and then Bengali to Hindi), is far from what Bábá actually spoke in Hindi. This occurred due to not following Bábá's rule of transcribing directly from the original Hindi.

6. The purpose of this letter is to make Bábá's printed discourses authentic and dogma-free. This is not a language issue this is an issue of authenticity. The duty of every disciple of Lord Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji is to keep watch on the purity of Guru's printed books.

7. Summary: The discourse "A Yogii Must Certainly Be A Theist" was given by Bábá in Hindi, in Patna. The Tiljala Publishers have printed that it was given in Bangla, in order to falsely make it appear that Bábá gave more discourses in Bengali than any other language. They translated the discourse twice: from Hindi to Bangla, and from Bangla into Hindi—thus straying from the Hindi words Bábá actually spoke.

Ridiculous Things in Ananda Marga Books: Example

From: R. Naidu <rnaidu@broadscan....>
To: Ananda Marga Discourses <anandamargadiscourses@sunlink.net>
Subject: Ridiculous Things in Ananda Marga Books: Example
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 18:34:15 +0530

BABA

Ridiculous Things in Ananda Marga Books: Example

Respected Brothers and Sisters,
Namaskar

On 18 August 1979 in Taipei, Baba has given a short and very pointed discourse on the teaching that dharma is for all human beings no matter where they live or what language they speak. (1) In that setting, He concluded with some poignant words which He has used in other discourses as well:

"So, you should always remember that dharma is for all. Though it is for those who know English, it is [also] for those who do not know English. It is for all, it is for common people just like pure water, pure air, and pure light."

Instead of writing what Baba said, the Tiljala Publishers have printed---

"So, you should always remember that dharma is for all. Though it is for those who know English, it is for those who do not know English. It is for all. It is for common people just like your worker, your dear and near ones."

For an image of the actual page from the published Ananda Vacanamritam 14, please see the scan below. (2)

This yellow phrase that dharma is for all, "just like pure water, pure air, and pure light" is a classic expression in Ananda Marga ideology. Baba has used this very phrase in two other discourses (3), and has utilized the idea in innumerable discourses. Indeed, it is part of the core of Ananda Marga teachings.

And so how unfortunate it is that our Tiljala Publishers could not recognize such a ubiquitous teaching when they heard it with their own ears on the taped recording. They have themselves printed in Ananda Vacanamrtam part 14 Publisher's Note that this discourse has been transcribed from tape. Hearing and accurately transcribing what Baba says requires regular practice and great interest. This raises the question as to why the Tiljala Publishers cannot manage accurate transcription of Baba's discourses.

And it is one thing that they could not hear accurately what Baba said; it is yet another matter that they could not recognize the inappropriateness of what they were writing and printing in Baba's name.

Regarding dharma, Baba closes this discourse by stating "It is for all, it is for common people just like pure water, pure air, and pure light."

Instead of writing what Baba said, Tiljala Publishers have printed---

"It is for all. It is for common people just like your worker, your dear and near ones."

Whereas Baba is comparing dharma to the universal elements "pure water, pure air, and pure light", the Tiljala Publishers have quoted Baba as instead likening dharma to "your worker, your dear and near ones."

It is obvious that "your worker, your dear and near ones" are not universal in the way that dharma is. Anyone having a grasp of Ananda Marga ideology would immediately recognize and be suspicious that what they thought they'd heard on the tape, must not be correct. Anyone having developed viveka in this situation would listen again and again to that portion of the tape, thinking of what other words Baba might have spoken besides "your worker, your dear and near ones." But our Tiljala Publishers did not have that viveka. They unwittingly accepted that Baba had compared the universality of dharma to "your worker, your dear and near ones." Having thus wrongly accepted this, they became completely misguided by their own lack of understanding of Ananda Marga teachings, and printed these words.

The unfortunate result is, this Tiljala Publisher's final sentence of the discourse, is a laughing stock. It is common knowledge in Ananda Marga that dharma is universal, "just like pure water, pure air, and pure light". No one can think that Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji would close a discourse comparing dharma to "your worker, your dear and near ones."

Sadly, with such balking errors our wt dadas in Tiljala Publications expose themselves as incapable of transcribing Baba's discourses. Two things are needed for proper transcription from the sound files of Baba's discourses:

1. Repeated practice listening to Baba's audios;
2. Understanding of Ananda Marga Ideology.

If they had #1--practice listening to Baba's audios--they would have been able to hear what Baba was saying.
If they had #2--understanding of Ananda Marga Ideology--they would have immediately discarded what they wrote knowing it to be inconsistent with AM teachings, and searched further,

In view of the above points, no one possessing viveka could think that Baba is comparing dharma with "your worker, your dear and near ones."

Baba says that apta vakya does not undergo metamorphosis or distortion. So if it does get changed or distorted, then it is no longer apta vakya i.e. the word of Guru. It is up to Ananda Margiis to protect our scripture and keep it "As Is"-- the word of Guru.

Baba says,

"Now in this realm of spirituality, whatever we receive, we receive directly from Him, and not through any media, and that's why the secret of spirituality is known as “ápta vákya” and not “prápta vákya”. Prápta vákyas come through different media, through different physical media, and that is why they may vary, they may undergo metamorphosis. And, due to their going through metamorphosis, they may come within the scope of relativity; they may undergo distortion. That's why these prápta vákyas or prápta vastus are not final, and these prápta vastus or prápta vákyas can not be, must not be the desiderata of human beings. The only thing that we want, that an aspirant wants from Him is the ápta vákya and this ápta vákya is guru vákya, and this guru vákya is mantramúlaḿ." (Ápta Vákya and Prápta Vákya EGD 30 November 1978 Madras AV6-01)

Will Cause Bloodshed and More Division

History bears testimony to this, that all the religions have similarly broken into multiple factions, groups and subgroups on the basis of differences in scripture interpretations. Bábá wanted to eliminate such problems, and that is why Bábá's discourses are recorded. But unfortunately, those recordings are not being published properly. This matter is very serious.

If we remain passive onlookers and do not fix the negative trends of introducing distortion into Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtiji's discourses and do not bring the printed discourses up to the proper standard now, it will become impossible to change this in the future. And even if in future some sincere Ánanda Márgiis will try, they will be treated as enemies. Because this is the way religion works.

Today one cannot teach the devotees of Lord Krśńa that He has nothing to do with cows; they will never believe it. In the same way, Ánanda Márgiis will become used to the wrong teachings in our AM books and they will not like to give them up. They will think that whatever was there at the end of the twentieth century, that was the gold standard for all time. And it should be kept and maintained. So we don't have any time: it is either now or never. The clock is ticking: If we do not get Bábá's discourses fixed now, it will be impossible to do so later. And that will cause bloodshed and more division on the basis of the various versions of Bábá's teachings and their explanations.

Namaskar,
R. Naidu

Footnotes.
1.  "Three Species of Human Being" V14-4 (E) 18 August 1979 Taipei

2. Here below is a scan of the actual page from the printed discourse in Ananda Vacanamritam 14, where the Tiljala Publishers printed that dharma is for all, "just like your worker, your dear and near ones."





3. In two other discourses Baba has directly and explicitly compared dharma with the universality of pure water, pure air, and pure light:

a) "Universality in Race, Language, Religion and Culture", A Few Problems Solved Part 6

"There should not be any inferiority or superiority complex in anybody. Those who preach individual and racial superiority are committing sins against human dharma [human spiritual nature]. Like earth, air, and water, this dharma is common to one and all."

b) "Ordinary Mortal or Divine Child?", Ánanda Vacanámrtam Part 31

"There cannot be and should not be an inferiority or superiority complex in anybody. Those who preach individual racial superiority are committing sins. They are going against human Dharma. Like earth, air and water, Dharma is common to one and all."

4. Here below is the Publisher's Page showing that Tiljala Publishers openly declared they have transcribed this discourse from tape. So they cannot say they did not have the tape. They used the tape, they listened to the tape-- and even then could not listen properly, and did not have the discrimination to understand that what they wrote is inconsistent with Ananda Marga teachings.

NB For those searching the Electronic Edition for the distortion described in the above posting, please note:

The final two pages of the discourse "The Three Species of Human Being" are not in EE7.5. You will need to refer to the actual printed book "Ananda Vacanamrtam (AV) Parts 13 & 14", which came out later.

The Electronic Edition EE7.5 was published in 2009, and does not contain the latest version of the discourse "The Three Species of Human Being". The latest version of this discourse is printed in the book "AV Parts 13 & 14", published by the Tiljala Publishers in 2011. In that book, the discourse goes from page 158 to page 164. The final two pages of the discourse are not contained in EE7.5. These final two pages are listed by the Tiljala Publishers as a "Short talk by the author after the discourse". This short talk was given by Baba during the same session when He gave "The Three Species of Human Being", and is considered as a part of that discourse as per the table of contents.
 
Look in the book "AV Parts 13 & 14" on page 164, and you will see the final sentence of the discourse as follows:

"So, you should always remember that dharma is for all. Though it is for those who know English, it is for those who do not know English. It is for all. It is for common people just like your worker, your dear and near ones."